House Jan. 6 committee member Kinzinger says panel has evidence GOP lawmakers sought pardons from Trump

CBS News chief political analyst John Dickerson says that a healthy democracy must pay attention to the past and present.

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"The only thing that has changed since Jan. 6 is, now, if they want to run that play again, they're gonna put more loyal people into the administration earlier on."

- Jan. 6 committee member Rep. Adam Kinzinger expressed his concerns Sunday over the lack of change that has occurred since the assault on the U.S. Capitol in 2021.

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1. Kinzinger, Jan. 6 committee member, says panel will show evidence of GOP congressman asking for Trump pardons

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Rep. Adam Kinzinger, one of the two Republicans who sits on the House select committee examining the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, said Sunday that the panel will unveil evidence in upcoming hearings that Republican members of Congress sought pardons from former President Donald Trump in his final weeks in office.

What we asked: "Your colleague, Congressman Perry, denied that he asked for a pardon. He's one of those ones who was named. 'The notion that I ever sought a Presidential pardon for myself or other Members of Congress is an absolute, shameless, and soulless lie.' Is the testimony you have hearsay or do you have the goods?"

What Kinzinger said: "Well, look, like I said, I don't want to tip my hand on this. We'll put out what we need to put out. But we're not going to make accusations or say things without proof or evidence backing it."

Why it matters: During an overview, committee vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney said the committee believes Perry was involved in efforts to install Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark, who was a key figure in raising doubts about the integrity of the election with Trump, as acting attorney general in the weeks after the November 2020 election. The committee last month issued a subpoena to Perry and four other Republican lawmakers for testimony, though they have all refused to comply.

2. MacFarlane: "Absolutely struck" by how much the Jan. 6 committee focused on the Proud Boys

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Scott MacFarlane, CBS News congressional correspondent, gave his takeaways on the first hearing from the House select committee investigating the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol.

What we asked: "Scott, at the end of the hearing, the chairman, Thompson, said something tantalizing about the Proud Boys and the administration. What did you make of that?"

What MacFarlane said: "Absolutely struck by how much time was spent Thursday talking about the Proud Boys by this committee. The revelation at the end was that the Proud Boys, according to the committee, was doing reconnaissance the morning of Jan. 6, before President Trump ever spoke, and that they were looking for vulnerabilities, places to lead the mob into the Capitol. Now, the Justice Department has charged the Proud Boys with seditious conspiracy. In fact, they were in court that morning to plead not guilty. That the Jan. 6 committee is so interested in them is striking. That they were referenced a half-dozen times in the opening hearing is striking, because it's clear this committee is going to draw some kind of line between the Proud Boys and the organizers of the rally, potentially President Trump."

Why it matters: During the hearing on Thursday, the panel played video showing multiple instances of Proud Boys members saying they were summoned by Trump to the U.S. Capitol. They also showed recordings of Proud Boys members testifying they considered Trump's comments during a presidential debate to "stand back and stand by" to be a rallying cry.

3. Violence Project co-founder says a possible school shooter most likely walks "in and out" of security "every day"

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Dr. Jillian Peterson, co-founder and president of The Violence Project, explained Sunday that, although additional security for schools can "make us feel secure," it is important to remember the most likely perpetrator "is running through all of those drills along with everyone else."

What we asked: "If these are insiders, in these instances, how does that affect the proposals to lock, basically lock up the schools? Second thing, what does your research show you about these drills, the preparedness drills, as they deal with these students? And also if these are suicides, how does that affect the idea that a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun?"

What Peterson said: "I think once you recognize that the most likely perpetrator is a student in that school who is actively suicidal, it makes us think twice about some of these measures. So things like security, I think, make us feel secure. They look secure, it's something kind of tangible, but the reality is the most likely perpetrators walking in and out of that security every day. You certainly want to have teachers and students prepared for the worst case scenario, but the most likely situation is that the perpetrator is running through all of those drills along with everyone else. And if the perpetrator is coming in with a goal of being killed in the shooting, or killing themselves, we talked to perpetrators who said I did this shooting, because I wanted to go in and be shot by the school resource officer. So in that case, the good guy with a gun doesn't become a deterrent, it becomes an incentive in some of those cases."

Why it matters: A bipartisan group of 20 senators -- including 10 Republicans -- announced Sunday the outline of a deal to reform the nation's gun laws, with a focus on measures to boost mental health resources, provide funding for school safety resources and more in the wake of the shootings in Buffalo, New York, and Uvalde, Texas.

4. Allianz chief economist fears inflation may reach 9%

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Mohamed El-Erian, chief economic adviser at Allianz, expressed fear on Sunday that inflation has not yet reached its peak and that it may rise to as high as 9%.

What we asked: "There was some hope in some quarters, it may have been motivated reasoning, but there was some hope that inflation might be turning around, the picture might be getting better. So give us your sense, was that hope misplaced? Or is this a sign of how hard it is to predict where we are in the economy at this moment?"

What El-Erian said: "It's both. There was hope initially, that it is transitory, meaning temporary and quickly reversible. There was hope, as you pointed out, that it had peaked. I never shared those hopes. I think you've got to be very modest about what we know about this inflation process. And I fear that it's still going to get worse, we may well get to 9% at this rate."

Why it matters: If inflation keeps rising, there is a danger that the U.S. falls into a recession, and as El-Erian noted Sunday when that happens "it is the most vulnerable segments of the population that get hit hard."

5. Reporter's Notebook: Dickerson says "in a healthy democracy, we must be able to" pay attention to both past and present

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CBS News chief political analyst John Dickerson urged Americans to take the advice of President Dwight D. Eisenhower to not let urgent matters eclipse important ones in today's political context.

"In the urgent category is inflation, up 8.6% compared to May a year ago, a 40-year high," Dickerson said. "In the important category, the House hearing about the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election."

Dickerson says that while it is important to discuss and deal with the inflation that is plaguing the country, Americans need to not forget how close democracy was to falling on January 6, 2021, if it were not for brave public servants who "held the line."

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